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[12:20]<+camerongray> I love when people brag about having Windows 7 Ultimate - It only means two things - They run a pirated OS, or they wasted their money!
[12:20]<@Calum> indeed
[12:20]<+camerongray> Oh, hey Calum
[12:20]<+camerongray> It seems like I'm the only person nowadays that buys stuff :P
[12:20]<@Calum> or maybe they really, really need Bitlocker...there must be at least one person out there who does...
[12:21]<+camerongray> lol
[12:21]<@Calum> used to make me laugh at OcUK, building one of the bargain bucket systems with Windows 7 Ultimate, usually 32 bit for added pointlessness
[12:21]<+camerongray> I mean, I do get free licences through the uni, but if I didn't I would buy it :P
[12:21]<+camerongray> lol!
[12:22]<@Calum> by the end of next week I aim to have finally eliminated 32 bit OSes in the business
[12:22]<+camerongray> nice!
[12:22]<@Calum> we have like 8 systems still on XP
[12:22]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:22]<@Calum> and a few Win7 32 bit systems for some weird reason
[12:23]<+camerongray> In that case, sit in CH, wait for GM to be on, then say something related to it like "YES, finally! No more XP"
[12:23]<@Calum> so I upgraded all the Win7 desktops to 4GB RAM today after finally getting the go ahead to buy some RAM...set up like 6 desktops to repalce the XP ones, and I'll do the rest sometime midweek. NO MORE 32 bit...hopefully it'll solve the printer driver issues
[12:23]<@Calum> oh yeah, he's the guy with a fossil fetish or something
[12:24]<+camerongray> Yeah, and won't accept that his PC is new-ish
[12:24]<+camerongray> Athlon II x2
[12:24]<+camerongray> But he wants people to think it's like a P4
[12:24]<+camerongray> Not sure if I told you his rant about my vintage computer collection?
[12:24]<@Calum> what, as some kind of excuse to stay on 12 year old software?
[12:24]<@Calum> that doesn't even half make sense
[12:24]<@Calum> I don't think you did
[12:25]<@Calum> did he want to buy them so he could install even older software on them?
[12:25]<+camerongray> There needs to be an SSPCVC - Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Vintage Computers
[12:25]<@Calum> when Is ee people on XP, I'm just like...if it was 2007, would you still be using Windows 95? No.
[12:26]<@Calum> heh
[12:26]<+camerongray> Apparently, taking PCs that are pretty much about to be scrapped, spending £££ restoring them and setting them up in my bedroom like a mini museum is terrible!
[12:26]<+camerongray> And I should donate them to local schools so kids can learn on them
[12:26]<@Calum> tell him to donate his to a museum
[12:26]<+camerongray> haha
[12:27]<+camerongray> It's not like the XT has feelings and gets lonley!
[12:27]<@Calum> haha
[12:27]<+camerongray> If anything it's better only being used every couple of weeks
[12:28]<+camerongray> He was seriously trying to make it sound like me restoring them was terrible :P
[12:28]<+camerongray> This is what it came to me like FYI: http://pasteboard.co/g2IAd9W.png
[12:29]<@Calum> ouch
[12:29]<+camerongray> Not to mention it was completely dead :P
[12:30]<@Calum> heh
[12:30]<+camerongray> He also gets pissed at me badmouthing people's PCs
[12:30]<@Calum> badmouthing how?
[12:31]<+camerongray> This is usually - "No, you cannot turn a Dimension 2400 into a gaming machine to play modern games"
[12:31]<@Calum> ah right
[12:31]<@Calum> I will hopefully be building my rig this weekend, at bloody last
[12:32]<+camerongray> Or someone speccing a brand new PC and me advising them to move from an FX to an i5 - Apparently these people may be poor and £50 for the upgrade may be all they can afford to spend on food
[12:32]<@Calum> in which case a new PC would of course be a wise purchase
[12:32]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:32]<+camerongray> You should sit in CH more though :P
[12:32]<@Calum> I should
[12:32]<+camerongray> Especially for the hardware stuff - Most people are clueless
[12:33]<+camerongray> OH YES! Bring up your organisation like DB does :P
[12:33]<@Calum> just drop shadowy hints about "machines" and "sites"
[12:33]<@Calum> datacentres
[12:33]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:33]<+camerongray> Do you have stuff colocated to DCs?
[12:34]<@Calum> we do have a datacentre, our VPN routes through there and we have a DC there
[12:34]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[12:34]<+camerongray> Oh, like you own the DC?
[12:35]<@Calum> DC in that last = domain controller, just realised that's slightly confusing heh. If I'm honest I'm not 100% sure, fairly sure it's colo because we really wouldn't need a whole datacentre for our organisation
[12:35]<@Calum> I haven't visited because it's down south, one of the guys nearer there handles anything to do with that
[12:36]<@Calum> we have quite a few servers there though as we have a domain controller, citrix farm of I think 4 machines, plus some Exchange servers there
[12:36]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[12:36]<+camerongray> Nice, you'll need to go down at some point :P
[12:37]<+camerongray> Been to our one at work - very fancy
[12:37]<@Calum> I will, we are all supposed to be travelling and visiting the main sites at some point soon to get familiar
[12:37]<@Calum> we have main offices in Nottingham, Ossett, Cambridge and Ashford, plus like 50-60 sites around the UK
[12:37]<@Calum> and we're integrating another office at Ipswich
[12:38]<@Calum> and, I would assume, the ones in Birmingham, Manchester and Derby too
[12:38]<@Calum> but that won't be for a while yet as that particular business unit is a PITA to integrate
[12:39]<@Calum> they're on Lotus Notes for a start
[12:40]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[12:55]<@Calum> wow, I just went to get my stuff out ready for tomorrow, and...well...the whole floor of the other room is now covered in hardware
[12:55]<+camerongray> hehe
[12:56]<+camerongray> Just found the worst laptop speakers ever!
[12:56]<@Calum> like, to the point where I'm rethinking building it in there, hah
[12:56]<@Calum> oh?
[12:56]<+camerongray> I thought my ThinkPad was bad - Just setting up my new 'testing' laptop - Probook 4515s
[12:56]<+camerongray> God they are dreadful!
[12:57]<@Calum> ah, yeah they're not fantastic, assuming they're the same as the 4510s
[12:57]<@Calum> looks like the same chassis, the 4510 is just Intel instead of AMD
[12:57]<@Calum> we've had a few of those at work, mostly replaced now
[12:58]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:58]<+camerongray> It's not a bad little machine though
[12:58]<@Calum> yeah they're not bad at all, they are a fingerprint magnet though heh
[12:58]<+camerongray> Oh yeah :P
[12:59]<+camerongray> Also set up a few HP 625s - Very cheap but good for the price
[12:59]<+camerongray> This was a couple of years ago
[12:59]<+camerongray> Dabs had them for < £300
[12:59]<@Calum> we have some of those in use, they're alright yeah
[12:59]<+camerongray> And they did have proper business laptop quality - None of the modern day consumer crap
[12:59]<@Calum> yeah
[13:00]<+camerongray> Are you mostly HP then?
[13:00]<@Calum> I liked the laptops we were buying until recently, the 4540s
[13:00]<@Calum> everything is HP
[13:00]<@Calum> even down to monitors, mice and keyboards
[13:00]<+camerongray> At work we're the dark side to you :P
[13:00]<@Calum> and servers of course
[13:00]<@Calum> Dell?
[13:00]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:00]<+camerongray> Pretty much everything as well
[13:00]<+camerongray> Even the printer
[13:00]<@Calum> I have no strong preferences either way as long as it works, they both make good and bad stuff
[13:00]<+camerongray> We aren't really tied though - Just what we know works :P
[13:01]<@Calum> funnily enough we have a few Canon printers scattered around...then we use Kyocera for the big units, there are a few HP lasers we're trying to phase out, and we use Ricoh on site
[13:01]<+camerongray> Office machines in Edinburgh are Optiplex 980 mostly, MD has an old 755 and the other director has a Vostro
[13:02]<+camerongray> In London I think they have Optiplex 990s, mini tower ones with Sandy i3s
[13:02]<@Calum> our official policy states HP only, for whatever reason...the other business units don't really keep to it, they buy AOC and Iiyama monitors for example
[13:02]<@Calum> ah cool
[13:02]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[13:02]<+camerongray> And our servers are a huge mix
[13:02]<@Calum> Our directors have HP Spectre XT ultrabook things
[13:02]<@Calum> bleh
[13:03]<+camerongray> Offices now use small Atom ITX machines that basically VPN to servers in the DC
[13:03]<+camerongray> In the DC there are a couple of Dells (The CS24s) that run a Windows program, the rest are all BSD - Couple of IBMs, Supermicro then some generic custom ones
[13:03]<@Calum> that's a good way to go actually...we don't have that many desktops, only support staff like finance and admin really. The majority of our users are mobile - engineers, project managers etc, they all have laptops
[13:04]<@Calum> our servers are all Windows bar one which is only for a legacy program
[13:04]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[13:04]<@Calum> that's...hmmm...what is it actually
[13:04]<+camerongray> We don't have anything really special
[13:04]<@Calum> begins with S I think
[13:04]<@Calum> SCO?
[13:04]<+camerongray> Reused a couple of old machines that had been left unused for years as dev servers - P4 and 2gb RAM :D
[13:04]<@Calum> heh
[13:04]<@Calum> one of our "servers" is similar
[13:05]<@Calum> runs the phone system
[13:05]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, we used to use an Optiplex 170l for that :P
[13:05]<+camerongray> That's out at the DC too now, not sure what it's on
[13:06]<+camerongray> I guess you've not had the great fun when you change the DHCP server in the office and forget about the phones?
[13:06]<+camerongray> They all reconnected but got different IPs
[13:06]<+camerongray> Much confusion ensued!
[13:06]<@Calum> we don't have IP phones...not yet anyway
[13:06]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:06]<@Calum> we're slowly rolling them out
[13:06]<@Calum> our phone system is ancient
[13:06]<@Calum> needs replacing badly
[13:06]<+camerongray> Most of them worked still, but all had the wrong numbers :P
[13:07]<@Calum> we had a good one when we changed our IP range, because the previous IT manager had set some...just some, random machines...to use manual DNS
[13:07]<@Calum> so they took like half an hour to log on
[13:07]<@Calum> then we could change it to auto
[13:07]<+camerongray> lol
[13:07]<@Calum> no idea why he'd done that
[13:07]<@Calum> ditto some software we use that activates off the server, some had the server name and some had the IP, stupidly
[13:08]<+camerongray> It was when someone called and my phone went - So I transferred to the correct extension, but then a different phone rang - Call got transferred like 5 times before we gave up and got the correct person to go to the ringing phone :P
[13:08]<@Calum> haha
[13:12]<+camerongray> We don't have an IT department so that's fun :P
[13:12]<@Calum> heh
[13:14]<+camerongray> I go into the office one morning and notice one of the directors sitting in the cupboard on his mobile (We had had a power cut and the VoIP server hadn't powered back up) - All I can here is "So the big one, okay okay, not the big one, which little one, okay, the little one next to the big one, okay why do we need 3, what do I press now, Oh, Cameron's in, talk to him"
[13:14]<@Calum> haha
[13:14]<+camerongray> So I take the phone "See the tower next to Zebedee, turn it on"
[13:14]<@Calum> hah nice
[13:14]<+camerongray> The director was getting in a flap over what machine he needed to turn on :P
[13:15]<+camerongray> "You know I don't like touching these things"
[13:15]<@Calum> our finance director saved us once...when I had to go in that one time to re patch everything, I kind of forgot one important cable, which was the fiber link between the comms cabinet and the main office...he plugged it in and was instantly a hero
[13:15]<@Calum> meanwhile I'd plugged in approx 200 cables, and was not a hero
[13:15]<+camerongray> lol!
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[13:18]<wonderwoman> calum
[13:18]<@Calum> oh hai
[13:18]<wonderwoman> we meet again
[13:19]<+camerongray> Hey wonderwoman
[13:19]<+camerongray> Calum: He's arrived in CH :P
[13:19]<@Calum> so I see
[13:19]<wonderwoman> hey camerongray.
[13:20]<@Calum> I will await the opportune moment
[13:20]<wonderwoman> so its sr-2 weekend for you mr
[13:20]<@Calum> it is
[13:21]<@Calum> the server room's floor is full of hardware
[13:21]<@Calum> like
[13:21]<@Calum> entirely full
[13:21]<+camerongray> I wish I had a server room :P
[13:21]<wonderwoman> lol. glad am not home.
[13:21]<@Calum> you would not be impressed
[13:22]<+camerongray> What sort of hardware? :P
[13:22]<wonderwoman> oh cameron you would be in heaven in the server room
[13:22]<@Calum> oh, you know...SR-2..Xeons...RAM..watercooling...SSDs...
[13:22]<@Calum> PSU, tons of cables
[13:22]<@Calum> graphics cards
[13:22]<+camerongray> lol
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[13:43]<+camerongray> Aww, he went away
[13:43]<+camerongray> Referring to DB, not Cassie :P
[13:43]<@Calum> hah
[13:44]<+camerongray> FYI: wazzantme is guitar_man :P
[13:44]<@Calum> I thought so
[13:47]<+camerongray> Biostar's website is so infuriatingly slow to download drivers from :P
[13:47]<+camerongray> 117KB/s
[13:49]<@Calum> that figures
[13:50]<+camerongray> Stupid me decided to reinstall my HTPC :P
[13:50]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, what is your opinion on Biostar boards for cheap machines?
[13:50]<+camerongray> The usual response in CH is "It'll blow up and kill your puppy"
[13:50]<@Calum> they're alright, like the H61 chipsets, along those lines?
[13:51]<+camerongray> Home/office machines - i3 and below
[13:51]<@Calum> yeah they're alright
[13:51]<+camerongray> :D
[13:51]<@Calum> anything is better than MSI
[13:51]<+camerongray> I've used their B85 one a couple of times
[13:52]<+camerongray> And this in my HTPC: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=617
[13:52]<@Calum> ah yeah remember you mentioning that one before, it's not bad at all
[13:52]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, not sure if I told you - Finally got my granny to replace her Dimension 2400 :D
[13:52]<@Calum> ah nice
[13:54]<+camerongray> Built her one - Pentium Dual Core G2020, 4gb RAM, Gigabyte B75 board, 120gb SSD, WIndows 7, Corsair CX430
[13:54]<+camerongray> And she actually likes it which is amazing :P
[13:54]<@Calum> nice, just a bit of an upgrade then!
[13:54]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[13:55]<+camerongray> WAY more than she needs, but she'll keep it forever
[14:03]<@Calum> yeah exactly
[14:05]<+camerongray> Calum: Someone being a doofus in CH :P
[14:06]<+camerongray> Ohoho - 'someone' is GM :D
[14:09]<+camerongray> "Mechanical Fault"
[14:09]<@Calum> facepalm
[14:09]<+camerongray> And the one where the machine locks up in games being an issue with disk space
[14:09]<+camerongray> Does that sound like possible overheating?
[14:10]<+camerongray> and he's gone!
[14:11]<@Calum> hah
[14:11]<@Calum> yeah i would go with possible overheating too
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[14:12]<+camerongray> Did you see that!
[14:12]<+camerongray> Please say something :P
[14:14]<@Calum> I'm hoping he says something
[14:15]<@Calum> and I'm also hoping you fix this guy's problem nice and easy, would proper show him
[14:16]<+camerongray> meh, I've done that loads
[14:16]<+camerongray> And feel free to help too - Show him what "working together" is :P
[14:17]<+camerongray> Calum: you are one arrogant piece of work , you wait till another starts a help then ya steam roll in , and you wonder why you are disliked?
[14:17]<+camerongray> :P
[14:18]<@Calum> ooh, that told me
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[14:21]<+camerongray> :D
[14:26]<+camerongray> Thanks :D
[14:26]<+camerongray> And now you see what i have to put up with :P
[14:26]<@Calum> yeah
[14:27]<+camerongray> Issue is, if I tell lostcoast he'll just be all patronising "You need to learn how to get along with people"
[14:28]<@Calum> indeed
[14:28]<@Calum> maybe I'll raise it on the forums...*again*
[14:28]<+camerongray> Oh, in the mod section?
[14:28]<@Calum> yeah
[14:28]<+camerongray> Would be amazing if you said something, stops it looking like just me being a pain
[14:28]<@Calum> there are so many complaints about LC
[14:28]<+camerongray> Or in the chat section I suppose, not sure if all chat ops are mods
[14:29]<+camerongray> GM and DB are the main issues IMO
[14:29]<@Calum> none apart from patio as far as I'm aware
[14:29]<+camerongray> LC is a dick too
[14:29]<+camerongray> Others like baconbuttie are quite nice so would be good for them to see/be able to comment on it
[14:29]<+camerongray> "I came back to the chat after a long time and was shocked to see this..." :P
[14:30]<@Calum> heh, maybe I'll write something up tomorrow
[14:30]<@Calum> save me some logs? :)
[14:30]<+camerongray> Yep
[14:31]<+camerongray> What sort of stuff, just tonight or a couple of other logs of DB being a dick
[14:31]<+camerongray> i.e. the ones I sent before
[14:31]<+camerongray> Oh there he is :P
[14:31]<@Calum> tonight mainly, for gman...others would possibly be useful but I think I still have links in my FB history
[14:31]<+camerongray> Cool
[14:31]<+camerongray> Careful, don't insult him ;P
[14:32]<@Calum> I'd love to see him ban me...
[14:32]<+camerongray> :D
[14:32]<+camerongray> The trick is not to break any rules :P
[14:32]<+camerongray> He goes mental but can't ban you
[14:32]<@Calum> I'm good at that
[14:34]<+camerongray> It's not temps, must be disk space :P
[14:34]<@Calum> clearly
[14:34]<@Calum> sorry guitar man
[14:38]<@Calum> do you know who this guy is by any chance?
[14:38]<+camerongray> Talks to me all the time
[14:38]<@Calum> ah right
[14:39]<+camerongray> Think it was because he joined, I cocked up and thought it was you :P
[14:39]<@Calum> hah
[14:41]<@Calum> pufferfish
[14:41]<+camerongray> :P
[14:47]<+camerongray> So wanted to put 'helping' in '' there :P
[14:49]<@Calum> heh
[14:49]<+camerongray> Really want to directly ask BB if he even looked at GM's response
[14:49]<+camerongray> Not seen anything said to him about it
[14:50]<+camerongray> I think they just let him do it as that's just how he acts
[14:50]<@Calum> me neither, but I don't particularly want to keep pushing...I would rather push a little at a time, and make others see how ridiculous the situation is
[14:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:50]<+camerongray> A post in the forum would be great though and I would worship you for it :P
[14:50]<+camerongray> And keep me posted on responses :P
[14:51]<@BC_Programming> I liked the one where kyle_engineer was trying to say that irccloud makes it hard to kick people properly because "if an op is on irccloud other users are immune to kick also"
[14:51]<@Calum> will do
[14:51]<@Calum> yeah that was weird
[14:51]<@BC_Programming> which demonstrates a lack of understanding about the AOP list...
[14:51]<+camerongray> So good having you there :P
[14:52]<+camerongray> Half of them will probably think you are some new guy and thus treat you like crap
[14:52]<+camerongray> Hence more ammo for your post
[14:52]<+camerongray> Out of interest, what has happened when you've brought it up before?
[14:52]<@Calum> BC_Programming: very true
[14:52]<+camerongray> Oh, and hey BC
[14:52]<@BC_Programming> I think Calum used to be op in CH ages ago?
[14:53]<@Calum> camerongray: part of me hopes they do see me as a nw guy, it would be funny. Iw as talking about something similar with a work guy earlier actually
[14:53]<@Calum> I did indeed
[14:53]<+camerongray> Calum: Give DB back his keyboard :P
[14:53]<+camerongray> He also puts spaces in the wrong place :P
[14:53]<@Calum> back in the #computerhope channel's infancy, when all mods were ops if they wanted...before the "op wars" as I've seen them referred to
[14:54]<+camerongray> Ahh, what do mods say in the forum about it all?
[14:54]<+camerongray> Sure I butted in, but GM was just clutching at straws and making no sense - "Mechanical Fault"
[14:54]<@Calum> very little indeed...Allan has completely distanced himself from the chat
[14:54]<@Calum> patio does what he does
[14:54]<@Calum> ...see any other mods around the place these days...?
[14:54]<+camerongray> Nope :P
[14:54]<+camerongray> Just patio
[14:54]<@Calum> exactly
[14:54]<+camerongray> Even Nathan says something like once every couple of months
[14:54]<@BC_Programming> pretty sure Allan thinks LC is a doofus, given his posts regarding DriverAgent and Reg cleaners
[14:55]<@Calum> so one you know, the other stays right away from the chat, he's referred to LC as a colossal dick or equivalent before in a PM
[14:55]<@BC_Programming> oh which one is that? I'm trying to think of mods and all I can really think on the forum are Allan yourself and Patio regularly
[14:56]<@Calum> that's it
[14:56]<@Calum> I was referring to Allan sorry, should've been clearer
[14:56]<+camerongray> What they really need to do is 'remove' all OPs and get them to apply fresh - Have a couple of forum mods as ops and then decide on new ops as they go with proper screening and make sure that noone becomes the "king"
[14:56]<+camerongray> I mean, you could suggest that but doubt they will
[14:56]<@BC_Programming> yeah I think I have PMs about some threads where he 'gang-raped' him and his cronies about Registry cleaners
[14:56]<+camerongray> Unless of course they are all pissed at LC
[14:56]<@Calum> Nathan isn't around enough to do anything even if he wanted, but he's basically stated that he won't do anything because LC is dependable if nothing else, he's always around in the channel
[14:57]<@Calum> which is what the team of ops/mods achieved, too, but hey
[14:57]<+camerongray> Would be interesting to see if that's changed, last time I heard from Nathan he was pretty annoyed with LC
[14:57]<@Calum> oh?
[14:57]<+camerongray> Like he called LC an "Ongoing issue"
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> heh
[14:57]<@Calum> that's an accurate description
[14:58]<@Calum> I might refer to him as OI instead of LC from now on
[14:58]<+camerongray> And something along the lines of "The reason I don't ban lostocast is that he is the only person that I know who can put in that much time"
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> I did like his arguments in favour of registry cleaning
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> every single one, anecdotal
[14:58]<+camerongray> The word 'ban' was very interesting to hear actually
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[14:58]<@BC_Programming> then I went into a technical diatribe about WHY it wouldn't ever have a significant performance impact because of the way the binary tree is stored and accessed
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> then he rambled about how he saw a 500% speed increase when he ran ccleaner or something
[14:59]<@Calum> well, like I've said before, my banhammer is at the ready, no hesitation in dishing out warnings for clear nonsense
[14:59]<+camerongray> Calum: HAHAHA - Did BB ask you if he could add info? :P
[14:59]<@BC_Programming> So he loves himself some anecdotal evidence
[14:59]<@Calum> camerongray: haha
[14:59]<+camerongray> I really think they need to scrap the chat at this rate and set it up again :P
[15:00]<+camerongray> It's like a messed up Windows install - You can fix it if it's just minor but once it gets to a better stage it's easier to reinstall
[15:00]<+camerongray> And I win the most ridiculous analogy award :D
[15:00]<@Calum> heh
[15:00]<@Calum> scrapping all ops would be a good idea
[15:01]<@Calum> and choosing them afresh
[15:01]<+camerongray> Yep
[15:01]<+camerongray> What they need is a small group of good ops in different timezones
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[15:01]<@BC_Programming> then you can sell the old ones as slaves
[15:02]<@Calum> sounds reasonable
[15:02]<+camerongray> I can think of some - Patio/someone could do the US, You/BB for Europe, Call-A-Farmer/LM for the kiwis and aussies .etc
[15:02]<+camerongray> And all ops have to be decided on by a group
[15:02]<+camerongray> That removes any "king"
[15:03]<@Calum> I can suggest it
[15:03]<+camerongray> YES!
[15:04]<@Calum> I have been trying to clean up various bits of CH, like the woeful FAQ section
[15:04]<+camerongray> Keep them all HOP too
[15:04]<@Calum> yes
[15:04]<+camerongray> Just have one master OP - Nathan for example
[15:04]<@Calum> yeah
[15:04]<+camerongray> Even though he doesn't have time, someone who can just actually hop people once it has been decided on the forum
[15:05]<+camerongray> Not willy-nilly like LC does
[15:05]<@Calum> exactly
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> it's not willy nilly
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> LC hop's people that kiss his ass enough
[15:05]<+camerongray> Notice how the people that have issues with chat are all the ones that are pretty knowledgable and the ops/people that get along fine are usually the less-skilled, of course there are exceptions but for the most part that seems to be the case
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> that's the only reason I can reason an insufferable moron like guitar_man could get it
[15:06]<+camerongray> He used to be an op but actually got it removed ;P
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> yeah I know but he was stupid before too
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> oh man
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> my updater goes live today
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> this should be fun
[15:07]<+Craig> Hey Guys
[15:07]<@Calum> hey Craig
[15:07]<+Craig> Hey Calum
[15:07]<+Craig> :P
[15:07]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[15:07]<+Craig> I haven't talked to Jacky for a while... :P
[15:07]<+Craig> Hey Cam
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> !seen jacky
[15:08]<+Craig> Hey BC
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> hey Craig
[15:08]<+Craig> Up for some Terraria
[15:08]<+Craig> ?
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> That chlorophte thing where I was able to get some was a bug apparently
[15:08]<+Craig> Crazy
[15:08]<+Craig> Has it been fixed already? I really wanted the armor. :P
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> yeah there is a patch that fixes it, either that or it was multiplayer only I suppose
[15:09]<+Craig> Maybe
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> can't play right now, I'm supposed to be working lol
[15:10]<Immental1200> How long do you reckon it would take for them to pick up a troll if you were very careful in CH?
[15:10]<Immental1200> I need some Friday night entertainment,
[15:11]<+camerongray> Nah, don't troll, that's just silly
[15:12]<+camerongray> I want it to be a nice place like it used to be, and it can be like that, just needs the whole heierarchy fixed
[15:12]<Immental1200> I fancy asking questions where I know what I'm on about, they think they know what they're on about and don't really have a clue...
[15:12]<Immental1200> Not trolling, genuine questions.
[15:13]<+camerongray> That's still wasting time though
[15:13]<Immental1200> Eh
[15:14]<Immental1200> I suppose
[15:15]<+camerongray> Calum: Do you have that log from the GM thing or should I send it to you>
[15:15]<@Calum> I don't, I'm using the Mibbit webclient
[15:15]<+camerongray> Copy and paste? :P
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> I'd like to guide db into admitting that his servers use THEOS
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> "I've heard a lot of big companies use this thing called THEOS, you ever heard of it"
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> he'd jump at that
[15:16]<@Calum> that invovles much scrolling though, and saving, and I'm formatting this laptop in the morning
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> "Yes we use it on thousands of machines"
[15:17]<+Craig> Servers up BC if you wanna join. :)
[15:17]<+Craig> Oh. :P
[15:18]<+Craig> I forgot to scroll down :P
[15:18]<+camerongray> Calum: Sent the log on FB so it's stored there
[15:18]<@Calum> cheers
[15:18]<+camerongray> You have quite a lot from me in there :P
[15:19]<@Calum> heh yeah
[15:19]<+camerongray> Really appreciate you trying to fix things :P
[15:19]<+camerongray> And I beg you to hang out in CH :P
[15:20]<@Calum> I will do my best!
[15:22]<+camerongray> Calum: Someone else with thermal issues :P
[15:22]<+camerongray> Lets watch GM fix this one :P
[15:23]<Immental1200> I want to watch
[15:23]<Immental1200> But I'm banned on IRC Cloud
[15:23]<+camerongray> Calum: Oh yeah, and GM told mulreay that he respects my knowledge but I lack people skills :P
[15:23]<Immental1200> So send me logs later?
[15:23]<@Calum> camerongray: heh, I see
[15:23]<+camerongray> As far as people who live on computers go, I'm pretty sociable :P
[15:23]<+camerongray> Noone else calls me arrogant :P
[15:23]<@Calum> indeed
[15:24]<+camerongray> I was at the pub the other day, and didn't even have my laptop!
[15:24]<@Calum> haha
[15:24]<Immental1200> Wow
[15:24]<Immental1200> So you just sat all alone in the corner doing nothing ;)
[15:25]<+camerongray> haha
[15:25]<Immental1200> I joke, I joke
[15:25]<+camerongray> HAHAH, look at GM
[15:25]<+camerongray> "I run Intel"
[15:25]<+camerongray> No you don't, you run an Athlon II x2
[15:26]<Immental1200> Does he?
[15:26]<Immental1200> Oh dear.
[15:26]<@Calum> I'm watching
[15:26]<+camerongray> Unless he made that up which is also possible
[15:26]<Immental1200> Wouldn't surprise me
[15:26]<+camerongray> I could make popcorn
[15:27]<@Calum> nope...that's not what tcase is
[15:28]<+camerongray> Yeah, isn't that the ultra-max-don't-go-past-or-bad-stuff one?
[15:28]<@Calum> nope
[15:28]<+camerongray> Ahh, what is it?
[15:28]<+camerongray> Oh, it's at the IHS isn't it
[15:28]<+camerongray> Not the core?
[15:28]<@Calum> I don't know how to explain it, but you can't actually measure your tcase
[15:28]<Immental1200> I'm confused.
[15:28]<@Calum> along those lines yeah
[15:28]<+camerongray> Ahh
[15:28]<+camerongray> Ask him if you can say something :P
[15:29]<+camerongray> Not sure if I'm being wrong but you can test me :P
[15:29]<+camerongray> The core temp is higher than the case usually?
[15:29]<@Calum> yes
[15:29]<+camerongray> Ahh
[15:30]<+camerongray> And the core temp can be higher than the case - e.g. Core at 65 is fine but case at 65 would mean the core is mental hot?
[15:30]<@Calum> 70C is normal for an Ivybridge...itching to tell him but I'm doing something else as well
[15:30]<@Calum> correct
[15:30]<+camerongray> Yay!
[15:30]<+camerongray> I get about 70-77 under Prime95 when overclocked
[15:30]<+camerongray> Normally WAY lower
[15:30]<@Calum> especially for Ivybridge where they have paste instead of solder, difference in temp between core and IHS can be huge
[15:31]<@Calum> on the stock cooler?
[15:31]<+camerongray> H60
[15:31]<@Calum> exactly
[15:31]<+camerongray> lol
[15:31]<@Calum> on the stock cooler, those temps are normal
[15:31]<+camerongray> Is mine too hot then?
[15:32]<@Calum> nope, they're fine...I meant at stock, on the stock cooler, load of 70 or so is normal
[15:32]<+camerongray> Ahh, great!
[15:32]<@Calum> overclocked a little on a h60, those are also normal
[15:32]<+camerongray> You almost had me trying to lower them and being up to 4am :P
[15:33]<+camerongray> I always do that - Start a small project then end up staying up until 4am :P
[15:33]<+camerongray> Like - "Hoover the kitchen/living room" turning into having two vaccuum cleaners in bits :P
[15:33]<@BC_Programming> heh somebody is trying to get my updater working with the flagship product, another guy is using my NSIS installer script for the Report Viewer as a template for an Installer script for his Work Order, and I'm supposed to be working on a Waitlist
[15:33]<+camerongray> Or "clean the bath mat" turning into running several spin cycles on the washing machine at 3am trying to dry it :P
[15:34]<@Calum> heh
[15:34]<+camerongray> My flatmates are used to it now :P
[15:34]<+camerongray> Nolonger ask why there are keyboard keys in the oven or why I'm trying to saw a bit old copper pipe :P
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> "I was vacuuming but I Noticed that it was pulling to the right. I found a bunch of fluff stuff in the wheel and removed it, but then I noticed that the brush was getting stuck about a quarter way through it's revolution. So I took that apart and found the cause was a penny.....
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> then I saw the dust canister wasn't being held in place completely, so I took all that apart.... etc
[15:36]<+camerongray> lol, it was more, I was vaccumming, a bit fell off, it blew crap everywhere, I tried to put it back together then noticed the bottom bit wouldn't clip properly to hold it upright so I tried to fix that
[15:36]<Immental1200> Basically
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[15:36]<Immental1200> You two should never touch hoovers.
[15:36]<+camerongray> Then after I gave up trying to make that one work I got the other out to clean up the mess left by the Dyson to find that it didn't suck at all
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[15:36]<+camerongray> Calum: DO SOMETHIGN!
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[15:37] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Mulreay
[15:38]<@Calum> oooooh
[15:38]<+camerongray> with laughter that is
[15:38]<@Calum> BURN
[15:38]<@Calum> http://www.abiyamo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/apply-cold-water-to-the-burned-area.jpg
[15:38]<Immental1200> Why
[15:38]<+camerongray> <guest_33> 100f is 37f ... which is body temperature ... which isn't even possible in my bios ... you obviously don't know what you're on about guitar man
[15:38]<Immental1200> What's going on
[15:38]<@Calum> for a second I thought I put that in CH...
[15:38]<+camerongray> haha!
[15:39]<Immental1200> You know how I mentioned trolling?
[15:39]<Immental1200> That guy totally doesn't have the same ISP as me ;)
[15:41]<+camerongray> :L
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> what did gm say about temps/37f?
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> or 100f rather
[15:41]<Immental1200> He said are you sure the threshold is 100c and not 100f
[15:41]<+camerongray> Somethng about 100f being a shutoff temp in the BIOS
[15:42]<Immental1200> I think my current motherboard lets me set the lowest to about 50c ...
[15:42]<Immental1200> I don't even think it's that low
[15:43]<@Calum> I'm heading off for tonight, need to catch some z's before tackling my build tomorrow
[15:44]<Immental1200> What build?
[15:44]<@Calum> oh and I need to back up this stuff, I should probably do that before I format I guess
[15:44]<@Calum> finally putting together my new system :)
[15:44]<@Calum> only been waiting like, 8 months, hah
[15:44]<Immental1200> Do you not have a new drive?
[15:45]<+camerongray> Nice!
[15:45]<+camerongray> And I'd really appreciate a copy of that CH thread :P
[15:45]<@Calum> I do, but I'm formatting this laptop to sell it
[15:45]<Immental1200> Ah I see
[15:45]<Immental1200> Pastebin this thread, it's so popular I wanna see it...
[15:45]<Immental1200> ;)
[15:46]<@Calum> heh, I'll do what I can
[15:46]<@Calum> this is assuming nothing goes horribly wrong tomorrow, like a leak all over the board
[15:46]<+camerongray> Nice!
[15:46]<Immental1200> If you're using pure water
[15:46]<Immental1200> A leak won't do anything
[15:46]<Immental1200> Because it doesn't conduc
[15:47]<@Calum> I know, but it's still a pain to have to dry it all out
[15:48]<Immental1200> Just stick it in the oven for 5 minutes ;)
[15:48]<Immental1200> That'll fix it all up nicely ;)
[15:48]<@Calum> my board is bigger than my oven ;)
[15:48]<Immental1200> Dayum... either that's a small over or you got an eATX
[15:48]<Immental1200> oven*
[15:48]<@Calum> try HPTX
[15:49]<@Calum> and a small oven
[15:49]<Immental1200> Is it...
[15:49]<Immental1200> It's not
[15:49]<Immental1200> No way
[15:49]<Immental1200> Is it my favourite motherboard?
[15:50]<Immental1200> EVGA Sr-2
[15:50]<@Calum> if your favourite motherboard is the choice of champions, then yes
[15:50]<Immental1200> Is it... ^
[15:50]<@Calum> boom
[15:50]<@Calum> it is
[15:50]<Immental1200> Oh god.
[15:50]<Immental1200> I've always wanted one.
[15:50]<Immental1200> Ever since it came out.
[15:50]<@Calum> same, ever since I first built one when they came out
[15:51]<Immental1200> I've drooled over it.
[15:51]<@Calum> I've had one in my flat, waiting for me, since February
[15:51]<Immental1200> You needed to mention this earlier, so I could come rob you...
[15:51]<@Calum> hah
[15:51]<@Calum> oh, nice, just saw this
[15:51]<@Calum> http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/08/evga-classified-sr-2-review/combo.jpg
[15:52]<@Calum> it really is almost twice the size of ATX
[15:52]<Immental1200> Remind me, how much RAM does it take?
[15:53]<@Calum> it has 12 slots, and you could theoretically deck them out with 8GB per slot
[15:53]<@Calum> the IMCs get kind of flaky with that though, I wouldn't want to populate them all personally
[15:53]<Immental1200> How the hell would I ever use 96GB of RAM on my home PC...
[15:53]<@Calum> I'm just going with 24GB
[15:53]<Immental1200> What CPUs
[15:54]<@Calum> IMCs were always a weak point with Nehalem/Westmere.Gulftown etc
[15:54]<@Calum> L5639s
[16:02]<@Calum> ok, backup done...catch you guys later!
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[16:40]<@BC_Programming> I just had to explain how to set the version of a program using Visual Studio
[16:40]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure if this bodes well
[16:42]<Immental1200> Probably not...
[16:42]<Immental1200> What's the persons position.
[16:42]<@BC_Programming> well here's the story
[16:42]<@BC_Programming> I had to setup the database for my updater
[16:42]<@BC_Programming> so I had to go look at the software versions we have
[16:42]<@BC_Programming> one of them in the File Details says "1.0.0.0"
[16:42]<@BC_Programming> so I asked the lead about it
[16:43]<@BC_Programming> and he said "that's weird it's being reported properly in testing in the caption"
[16:43]<@BC_Programming> he's not the one working on it, mind you
[16:43]<@BC_Programming> then I opened the project and found that the version in that caption was hard-coded and the actual project versions were never changed
[16:43]<@BC_Programming> Every single version released has been 1.0.0.0
[16:44]<@BC_Programming> we were both like "wtf"
[16:44]<@BC_Programming> so he got me to ping the guy working on that project
[16:44]<@BC_Programming> and now he's waxing on about Assembly and File versions being 26 thousand when I'm looking at the project right now and both are listed as 1.0.0.0
[16:46]<+Craig> HAhahahahah
[16:46]<@BC_Programming> then I mentioned that
[16:46]<@BC_Programming> and he says "well of course it would it's not setup"
[16:46]<@BC_Programming> what does that even mean
[16:46]<+Craig> :P
[16:47]<+Craig> Why would you use such a large version number?
[16:47]<@BC_Programming> thing is I don't know what he is talking about, I don't see it anywhere
[16:48]<@BC_Programming> the only real problem was the version was being hard-coded and my updater sorta expects versions to, you know, change with new versions
[16:48]<@BC_Programming> so much for reasonable assumptions I guess
[16:48]<@BC_Programming> and the installer scripts also take the version... the fact that this has gone undetected pretty much since the get-go is a bit disconcerting
[16:50]<@BC_Programming> as for his reasons, I might defer to him for Theos stuff but when it comes to .NET I know wtf I'm doing and nothing he said made sense, which is also worrying
[16:53]<Immental1200> Wait
[16:53]<Immental1200> Theos is actually a thing?
[16:53]<Immental1200> I thought it was a think tank and you were going to attempt to troll db...
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> no it's a Mainframe/Server OS
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> it's also retarded
[16:54]<Immental1200> iPhone dev?
[16:55]<@BC_Programming> huh?
[16:55]<Immental1200> I just looked it up, and I'm seeing lots of Theos - iPhone development
[16:55]<Immental1200> Unified iPhone development
[16:55]<Immental1200> Blah blah
[16:55]<Immental1200> Blah
[16:55]<@BC_Programming> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THEOS
[16:57]<Immental1200> Why did I not use Wikipedia.
[16:57]<@BC_Programming> Its an ancient system that the bulk of the software we have deployed runs on
[16:57]<Immental1200> Oh, now that sounds like fun.
[16:57]<@BC_Programming> which is a problem because THEOS has massive bugs in networking that actually cause packets to go the wrong server
[16:58]<Immental1200> Guessing, totally unworkable with Windows 7?
[16:58]<Immental1200> Or does it not host stuff for users like that.
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> the OS on the client doesn't matter, most use Windows I think
[16:58]<Immental1200> A
[16:58]<Immental1200> Ah*
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> I connect to it too using a Workstation thing
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> but the software is being moved slowly to PostGres and C#
[17:00]<@BC_Programming> thing is customers are still throwing hundreds of thousands at us to make customizations to the old system, so basically the new system will have to be compatible with the old system or at least be easy to migrate to
[17:00]<@BC_Programming> which makes it even worse because the Data used in the old system uses ISAM tables that were designed over 25 years ago and have 25 years of cruft added on
[17:00]<@BC_Programming> Fields for TaxCodes are taxcodes unless the Moorage reduction status is set to P, in which case it's the size of the boat and stupid crap like that
[17:01]<Immental1200> Oh wow...
[17:01]<Immental1200> Why the hell do you not start from the bottom up
[17:01]<Immental1200> Build a brand new system and transfer everything
[17:01]<@BC_Programming> refer back to the customers throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at us
[17:02]<Immental1200> Ah....
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> they won't move unless it is cheaper and has at least the same capability
[17:02]<Immental1200> Surely if you could offer them a new nicer system they'd still throw money
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> no
[17:02]<Immental1200> I see
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> Businesses don't work that way, if the system works, they are happy with it
[17:02]<Immental1200> Tell me about it...
[17:02]<Immental1200> Tried introducing a brand new control panel for our gameservers
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> they aren't interested in fancy UIs or anything like that, that's why a lot of Airlines still use UNIX based terminal systems
[17:03]<Immental1200> Had tons of stuff all the old ones didn't and was faster
[17:03]<Immental1200> And had people complaining and ranting for the old one within two weeks...
[17:03]<@BC_Programming> another issue is that, if they were to buy a new piece of software that was written from the ground up, they would need to retrain all their clerk staff to use it as well
[17:04]<Immental1200> Oh yeah...
[17:04]<Immental1200> I don't get why they don't hire intelligent people in the first place
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> dude
[17:04]<Immental1200> Ones with a slight bit of intuition...
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> I can't even figure out how to use this program
[17:04]<Immental1200> Oh.
[17:04]<Immental1200> Well, fuk.
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> You press F1 to go back... but there is no indicator of that anywhere
[17:05]<Immental1200> F1 ... that's an interesting choice.
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> and you need a very specific version of the workstation/terminal software or F1 never get's sent, too
[17:05]<Immental1200> Oh dear
[17:05]<Immental1200> What company do you work for?
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> Mainframe Associates
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> or do you mean our customers?
[17:06]<Immental1200> Looks like the website is as old as the software...
[17:06]<Immental1200> Nah, just the company.
[17:07]<Immental1200> THEOS Workstation 2000
[17:07]<Immental1200> Nice
[17:08]<Immental1200> Oh wow it looks so
[17:08]<Immental1200> Oh god.
[17:09]<Immental1200> Phone connect?!
[17:09]<Immental1200> I'm genuinely surprised this stuff is still in demand.
[17:09]<Immental1200> I mean, really, really surprised.
[17:11]<@BC_Programming> We undercut our competition on price and it's still something like 20K for a site, plus support costs
[17:11]<@BC_Programming> the interesting thing is, that the cost of the THEOS license is a good chunk of that
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> so if we can eliminate THEOS we will have more that as pure profit, not to mention <still> being cheaper than the competition
[17:12]<Immental1200> Genuinely surprised that your customers haven't installed THEOS workstation and run screaming...
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> I think the front-end is a Windows Program now, but I'm not 100% if it's actually deployed
[17:14]<Immental1200> http://www.mainframeassociates.com/demo/ - download demo softwae
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> there are at least 2 or 3 demos a week from what I understand
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> I think we are the first to try to make a Windows/UI-based version, all the others don't use theos but they still use Text-Based terminal stuff via Linux or Unix as far as I can tell
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> And of course we have the standard Salesperson problem
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> where they promise features to close a deal
[17:20]<@BC_Programming> then tell us a week later
[17:20]<@Mulreay> lol
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[19:59]<+Craig> BC, and Mulreay, you up for Terraria?
[19:59]<@BC_Programming> you made any progress yourself?
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> I still can't break chlorophyte :/ I bet I could break it with my other character, she has a Drax
[20:00]<+Craig> Hahaha, I have upgraded the house :p
[20:02]<@BC_Programming> Oh I managed to kill a paladin too, It dropped a "keybrand" sword
[20:10]<+Craig> What is that?
[20:10]<+Craig> You wanna join on?
[20:11]<+Craig> Its up
[20:11]<@BC_Programming> It's a sword that looks like a key
[20:11]<+Craig> Interesting
[20:11]<+Craig> I wonder if you don't need any keys anymore :p
[20:11]<@BC_Programming> nah the keys are needed
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[20:13]<+Craig> :P.
[20:13]<+Craig> So did you want to join?
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> not ATM
[20:14]<+Craig> Hehe, whats with the caps?
[20:14]<@BC_Programming> acronym
[20:15]<+Craig> Hahaha, I see
[20:15]<+Craig> You should see the anti-Goblin army trap I created. :P
[20:17]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[20:30]<jamer> http://postimg.org/image/4z1uwc1dx/ns
[20:31]<@BC_Programming> Craig: here's a screenie I took earlier of my new world and char progress :P
[20:31]<@BC_Programming> http://bc-programming.com/misc/2013-10-04_00001.jpg
[20:32]<+Craig> Nice
[20:32]<@BC_Programming> I have wings now :P
[21:35]<+Craig> Dude, I need backup...
[21:37]<@BC_Programming> backup?
[21:37]<+Craig> Help to get to the bottom of the dungeon
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> ok alrighty
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> Skype?
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